{"id":962,"date":"2008-09-27T10:01:49","date_gmt":"2008-09-27T14:01:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thedisciplinedinvestor.com\/blog\/?p=962"},"modified":"2008-09-27T10:01:49","modified_gmt":"2008-09-27T14:01:49","slug":"let-them-fail-then-we-will-eat-the-carcass","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thedisciplinedinvestor.com\/blog\/2008\/09\/27\/let-them-fail-then-we-will-eat-the-carcass\/","title":{"rendered":"Let them fail, then we will eat the carcass"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This just in&#8230; If you read this carefully, it is a clear and open invitation to take down banks and then scoop up their broken and crushed remains by other banking institutions. WOW! I just thought of this&#8230; Goldman Sachs (GS) and Morgan Stanely (MS) are now in the game. I wonder if they will look to bid on Wachovia (WMB) after they are pummeled next week&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>This is vulture business tactics at its best&#8230;<!--more--><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Sept. 27 (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.bloomberg.com\" target=\"_blank\">Bloomberg<\/a>) &#8212; Wachovia Corp.&#8217;s suitors may use a template honed by JPMorgan Chase &amp; Co. Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon last week: Wait to see whether regulators will seize the bank, then buy the best assets and let the government sort out the rest, according to analysts.<\/p>\n<p>Citigroup Inc., (C) Wells Fargo &amp; Co. (WFC) and Banco Santander SA (STD) are in talks with Wachovia, the Wall Street Journal reported yesterday. They&#8217;re part of the same group that passed on a chance to buy Washington Mutual Inc., which the U.S. closed two days ago, leaving JPMorgan (JPM) to buy WaMu (WM) for $1.9 billion, a fraction of its previous offer in March.<\/p>\n<p>The bidders may try that tactic again at Charlotte, North Carolina-based Wachovia following its 27 percent plunge in New York trading yesterday, according to analysts at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Egan-Jones Ratings Co. They may get help from regulators, who said the U.S. benefited from seizing and selling WaMu because the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. didn&#8217;t have to tap its $45 billion insurance fund.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;WaMu&#8217;s takeover has proven that there&#8217;s an easy way, if the FDIC is involved,&#8221; said Sean Egan, president of Egan-Jones in Haverford, Pennsylvania. &#8220;You kick the hell out of the equity holders and bondholders. That may be the new model for bank takeovers.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Christina Pretto, a spokeswoman for New York-based Citigroup, declined to comment on the Journal&#8217;s report, as did Santander&#8217;s Peter Greiff, spokesman for the Spanish bank, and Wells Fargo&#8217;s Julia Tunis Bernard in San Francisco. Wachovia&#8217;s Christy Phillips Brown wouldn&#8217;t comment on the news accounts or on analysts&#8217; reports.<\/p>\n<p>Limited Risk<\/p>\n<p>After WaMu&#8217;s failure &#8212; the biggest in U.S. history &#8212; Dimon said in an interview that the New York-based bank gained &#8220;a fabulous franchise&#8221; while limiting the risk. &#8220;We got this at a price that protects us, where if we were wrong, it still protects us,&#8221; said Dimon, 52.<\/p>\n<p>Wachovia has more resources to draw upon than WaMu did, including its market capitalization of $21.6 billion and assets that rank sixth among U.S. lenders. CEO Robert Steel, 57, the former Treasury official hired this summer to replace Kennedy Thompson, told employees in an e-mail yesterday that Wachovia was &#8220;strong and performing well.&#8221; The bank is more diversified than WaMu, owning the third-biggest U.S. brokerage, plus units in wealth management and corporate and commercial banking, he wrote.<\/p>\n<p>Credit Ratings<\/p>\n<p>The bank also has better credit than WaMu, which was cut to junk levels by credit rating firms before its collapse. Wachovia carries investment-grade ratings from Moody&#8217;s Investors Service, Standard &amp; Poor&#8217;s Corp. and Fitch Ratings. Moody&#8217;s and Fitch have a negative outlook, indicating a possible downgrade.<\/p>\n<p>Wachovia dropped $3.70 to $10 in New York Stock Exchange composite trading yesterday and lost $1.50 more in extended hours. Yields on Wachovia&#8217;s bonds soared to 24 percent, from 7.5 percent on Sept. 5, an indication that investors are concerned about default.<\/p>\n<p>Analysts questioned Wachovia&#8217;s ability to stay independent after seeing loan losses tied to WaMu. JPMorgan is taking on $176 billion in mortgage-related assets and taking writedowns of about $31 billion, the New York bank said. Some of those were option ARM loans, which are prone to default because they let borrowers defer some interest and add it to the principal.<\/p>\n<p>JPMorgan concluded that losses on the loans may equal up to 20 percent of their value, said Sean Ryan, an analyst at Sterne Agee &amp; Leach in New York. Wachovia has $122 billion in option adjustable-rate mortgages.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;If we apply marks similar to those used by JPMorgan in the recent WaMu acquisition, the levels of potential losses would bring Wachovia very close to the threshold of being considered `well-capitalized,&#8217; &#8221; Goldman analyst Louise Pitt wrote in a note to investors yesterday. Banks that are less than well-capitalized face curbs on their activities by regulators.<\/p>\n<p>Those potential losses may discourage immediate bids for Wachovia, said Larry Carroll, president of Carroll Financial Associates Inc. in Charlotte, which oversees $1.3 billion.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;If you just wait, it may get you at a much cheaper price and not have to take all the bad stuff,&#8221; he said.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This just in&#8230; If you read this carefully, it is a clear and open invitation to take down banks and then scoop up their broken and crushed remains by other banking institutions. WOW! I just thought of this&#8230; Goldman Sachs (GS) and Morgan Stanely (MS) are now in the game. 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